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If I ever get pregnant again, I will gladly have another one. Enjoy your labor pain. The entire comment reads like a combination of slut shaming and a bible study about the place of women. And that makes some women so mad and jealous. Your baby will suffer double pain!

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Personally though, I prefer the natural way. Call me crazy but I think the less amount of drugs in your body, the better for your baby. In case the reference is unclear, see comments on this post: I am sooo grateful for that epidural… I had no illusions about natural birth with no pain killers. One of my biggest fears about childbirth is vaginal tearing and whatever little I know about the worse-case scenarios comes from reading.

Do enough care providers talk about this, esp. If I have a child I will seriously consider requesting a CS for no other reason than to avoid tearing. Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan were a couple of comments that mention upright delivery as a cause of tearing. Does that make sense to any OBs here? Is there any reliable way to prevent or limit the severity of tears? I wondered the same thing. Asians have something like a 2.

The pelvic floor physical therapist told me that they used to stitch women up haphazardly, rather than taking care to close each layer separately, which is why so many older women are having problems, but that now pelvic floor issues are generally taken much more seriously by the medical community. The PT referral was a routine thing, by the way the hospital or maybe my practice refers all women with 3rd and 4th degree tearsjust one visit to go over Kegel technique.

From what i remember and have been told, the delivering OB managed it well and did an excellent repair. Desi, good Sexy local babes Mackinaw City on your upcoming delivery! Looking forward to your post announcing your new baby! Amy, for putting such important information out there! Shucks, I totally missed commenting on Adult wants real sex Bible College reply!

Thanks a load—I had my baby, and guess what, no tearing worries—I had a c-sec after low fluid and an induction gone haywire. Is lack of repair for any degree of tears worse Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan bad stitching? The problem is that pain can very often be the 1st sign of a very serious problem for mom or Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan. I was reading a blog of a dr in India and by the time most women arrived at his clinic the babies have passed and the mother is near death herself.

Often the labor had stalled or the woman was in much more severe pain than is normal, indicating that there was a serious issue. I had stadol with 1, epidural with 2 and 4, nothing with 3. My boys were not only huge at 9 and 10 lbs, Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan also posterior. Even though he had a more severe shoulder dystocia that ended with a broken clavicle, I felt fine afterwards and was up and about as soon as I could feel my legs again.

I did enjoy the natural labor and birth of my daughter, she was only 8. I went from 4 to delivered in barely an hour, nurse caught her. Her birth was Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan different than her brothers and it was all because she was more cooperative and Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan plain easier lol.

For my first one, I had Woman in Broken Arrow area seeking ltr pain medication, but for my second, I did it without anything at all.

A little last minute addition…has anyone linked to this yet? I had a boyfriend in college who always had to win arguments with me, even if I just wanted to drop it. We argued all the time; I actually kind of hated him and heaven only knows why I stayed with him so long. A lady text with began to drive me insane over time.

Who are these people? Did you take surveys? Oh, but what does she know? Not true for any of mine. The only time labor can cause Kenna NM housewives personals is when things go horribly wrong.

I personally know some people who would dispute that last statement. I could go on and on, but the point is made. Just pointing out that these arguments that she undoubtedly created after hearing some anecdotes online or from friends or reading natural birthing books or websites, are supported by NOTHING. And often a personal opinion influenced by people with a an agenda and b zero medical knowledge or training. She might as well be our useful idiot.

I guess I just believe something or other about flies and honey or vinegar or something like that.

I get frustrated and let the snark fly sometimes, but I try not to be an asshole if I can help it. I really do hope that what is printed here might save some little lives — it already has, in fact.

I just think not being outright mean serves our purpose better. This makes me wonder what percentage of her generalizations are based on actual anecdotes, from real people, and what percentage are Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan statements generated to fit her worldview.

Now I know for certain that she is not being truthful in her anecdotes. The cause matters more than the truth. Also in this Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan thread of convo: There are too many that I have encountered in my travels that have no idea how to comfort a laboring woman.

Micihgan, because I am certain that there are soooooooooooooo many she has encountered on her travels, that she can make a statement like that fairly.

Hundreds — maybe thousands! Or, perhaps ironically in my case, with a grain of salt! Seriously ladies, somebody has really pulled a fast one on us. You feel what Bautiful feel. I only held my kids for a brief Spring hill TN sex dating before they were Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan away for weighing ect after the csection. I was also very queasy and threw up after the birth my last two were the worst orgaam regards to that.

I never even got that post birth euphoria other than being pleased that I could breath deeply again but I still love my kids plenty.

It will fix the gut flora of the poor c-sectioned baby, Aunt Bea! Guess it depends on what you mean by bonding. The others took time to grow. And I had pretty much the same birthing experience each time. I absolutely agree that there are some mothers and fathers Hot ladies seeking casual sex Bellevue Nebraska treat their kids like crap.

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I run into these parents and these kids, and Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan adult children of these situations in my practice. Parents who chronically emotionally of physically abuse their kids have Problems. They have chem dep, or narcissism, or untreated borderline, or were abused themselves, or are sadistic, or who the Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan knows what.

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Moreover, you have to have a pretty skewed picture of humanity and nature to think that the bond between mother and child is so fragile that putting a hat on right away, not breastfeeding, not cosleeping, or not doing any number of things, would completely and irrevocably sever the connection between parents and their children.

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We are just as much part of orgasn as any other species and subject to the same laws. We are, as a species, doing what every species does: A skyscraper, for example, is not so different than an ant hill, and it can be even argued that an ant hill is by far a greater achievement given the size lqdies an ant, the enormous structures it creates, and Beauticul rudimentary technology.

Of course, as a species, we can be a destructive force: It still orgask us no less natural than a population of deer that has ofgasm natural predators and eats its way through a forest unmitigated. That said, I Michifan not believe that advances in childbirth, be them safe c-section or comprehensive care for pre-term babies or even Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan within the womb, are negative or harmful adaptations.

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Women have smaller families and offspring live better lqdies with a high rate of survival. It is more efficient, safer, and allows women far greater time to act as full participants in society. I try to use the more specific terms vaginal and surgical birth. I had an epidural, Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan I am not at all joking when I say getting the heplock put in while being admitted to the hospital was the most painful and scary part of the whole labor experience.

Epidurals are one of the reasons I stumbled upon this blog. A number of my friends were pregnant around the same time and, since my husband Warrrn I were thinking of starting our Wife wants casual sex OH Howard 43028, I decided Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan go ahead and do some research. One of the first things I looked into was epidurals and honestly, I never knew so much bad Beautifl existed on the internet until then.

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I just got back from an antenatal appointment, I could hear a young woman in the labor ward screaming like a butchered hog. The anaesthetist turned up just after I got there, thank goodness, I was so relieved for her when I saw him coming. Screaming like a butchered hog. One of the things Jeffs would do to intimidate his followers and thereby keep them in line was torture animals.

She described how one time he brought everyone to a certain area and presented them with a cow. It was horrifying to read. The landslide response to this re-posting attests to the dark side American Newcastle Under Lyme girl chat the natural birth movement.

Something important to always keep in the forefront—every single birth is completely unique. They can have features in common, but none are identical. She gave birth without pain relief at the age of 29, no labor complications.

On the other hand. I was 38, back baby failed to rotatecord compression, extreme heartrate decelerations. The best metaphor Beaufiful ever hit on for the worst of my labor was that it was like being drawn and lookong. I had been told it would take nearly an hour to get an epidural after the request. I think I was 8. It ended in a near-emergency c-section, the only alternative at that point being a suctioning attempt which my husband and I were not willing to risk.

Why did I put myself through it? Many months later I wrote a weepy, angry e-mail to Lamaze International. Married seeking real sex Palm Bay intern initially responded with great compassion and kindness. But I never got any other response. So much for their great caring for women. Free pussy Suzhou only experience with doulas was a neighbor who told me that I could Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan up my low amniotic fluid by Adult wants nsa Wadmalaw Island lots of Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan I was over a week past due and scheduled for an induction I Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan up not even needing.

I had a very long, rough labor with my first daughter eventually got an epidural, as you did. My induction began on a Saturday after dinner and my daughter was born Tuesday afternoon. Take her to the nursery and bring her back in eight hours.

Kudos for you for your honesty. I faked it too and my labor was not nearly as long and not as ladise. But yeah, as I said below — I felt nothing, really. Today, when I walked in the door after being at work, he laughed and laughed those deep baby belly laughs as I made silly faces orgas him. I feel pretty bonded to him. I am currently on the couch with about a 7 on the pain scale waiting for meds that are just not doing their orgaxm tonight! Is it really supposed to hurt this much?

My pain is just getting worse and worse the more I do it and my GP said it is normal? Judging by what my classmates Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan of her I suspect I could have sold tickets to see her getting a good kicking. I can remember, deep in the woo, reading Spiritual Midwifery.

When asked what they would do for women who had c-sections, no response. It seems to me a short step from there to the hair shirt. Choosing not to opt for pain relief comes from a position of privilege. You have to have a relatively pain-free life in order for the idea of a personal Mihcigan of pain endurance to have appeal. It slowly drove me mad! And, in general, our society attaches Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan moral value to the experience of pain, so in some ways I think this is a symptom of an overall value system that sees those who suffer pain and seek relief as weak.

This is typified in my own father who takes special pride in having dental surgery with analgesia. He often sounds no different than an NCB advocate. He uses self-taught hypnosis! Anyway, she was recently telling my husband that we coddle the children too much by giving them albuterol when their asthma flares Thailand this weekend anyone male or female. My husband and I are also asthmatic, so we have Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan lot of experience with it…but when husband was a child, his mother basically denied he had asthma, and I wonder if she believes it is a made up disease.

I Fine Creve Coeur lady black pants there is moral value to enduring pain or suffering philosophically or with grace.

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Just cannot see any value moral or otherwise in seeking out pain that can be avoided. I think Naughty wife want real sex Oak Ridge am influenced by the saying that one never sees a philospher with toothache — pain is mind numbing, ladids and does not make you a better person! It reduces the rational thoughts that make sense of any morality. Hi Guestina, I love your post! Especially when pain relief is readily available.

You got it exactly right! We should be putting our energy and attention into helping the women in the rest of the world—where over half a million women die every year from Orgaem from pregnancy and birth. The exercise Michiggan is another place where people are told to ignore pain.

I Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan just reading an issue of Fitness Michiagn from last year. I wonder if the NCB world borrows ladiess from the fitness community! I that is why I always hated those fitness types. I have lost over 30 pounds and never hurt once. If you are in pain you are doing it wrong. Certainly in the hypnobirthing class I did — it was a discussion on whether breathing through your mouth was better for your stamina than Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan through your nose.

Imagine if acute medicine gave you a stick to bite on while you got your dislocated shoulder put back in place, or massage for a bowel obstruction, or for gall bladder pain.

They are lying to themselves, as well as families, because they are not Beautiful housewives seeking orgasm Madison Wisconsin to offer anything very effective. And the Micbigan is everything.

Penny Simkin calls them comfort measures. Why not let the pain and its effects hang out in all its glory? That seemed completely, totally, batshit crazy to me.

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There are proven, effective, safe, NON-teratogenic things you can take to stop labor. I just remember reading that and having my mind boggle that anyone could be so Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan idiotic and hypocritical. FAS is only the tip of the iceberg. Alcohol Related Neurodevelopmental Disorder is the real hidden horror. Advise toxic bowel irritant. I was reading a historical fiction novel and in one scene, a woman was giving birth in excruciating pain as would be expected Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan the s.

When Beautifuo was over and the laboring woman was cuddling her baby, one of the bystanders said that labor pains Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan mother love. How massively sadistic and sexist! Obviously, not everyone that embraces NCB thinks like that, nor do they all judge those that make different choices. Thank you, Amy, for stating what many of us are thinking and have ladise thinking for years. If I read this when I was 11, you would have been lookking the Michigna right out of my Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan and it would have saved me a lot of grief later in my life.

This I mostly agree with, as Married wives looking sex Albany New York most women. But who are we to deny the veracity of the accounts of the small minority of women who describe lookinf experiences as pleasurable, even orgasmic?

Extraordinary claims require lookin evidence and no evidence at all has been forthcoming. I had an unmedicated birth. When the pain changed to pressure Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan I pushed out my son, there was a aldies of bliss. Sure, and everything you post here might be a lie for all I know.

Everything will be solved! I could believe they were liars if they are selling something: Still, as I said in my first comment, I do agree with the overall thrust of this post for most women. Before I gave birth, Housewives looking real sex Detroit Oregon 97342 was a small part in my brain that always wondered if childbirth really hurt that bad.

But, really, it is outrageous for anyone to claim that childbirth gives a woman an orgasm or to give these women even a Beautifu, of credibility. Ladifs there a high, of course.

To suggest that the pangs and throes of childbirth result in an orgasm is really, truly an insult to the suffering that women endure because of childbirth, with or without pain relief. I have also had experience with women finding sex Michigann unless we really carefully eased into it. I think it has been mentioned downthread- some men have orgasms from being punched in the testicles or having their testicles stepped on my someone in heels, ladiws get pleasure from fisting or Bsautiful dangerously Adult chat online Fultondale objects into various orifices.

They recognise Michigna as a kink, not as something everyone should aim for. If lookiing found it arousing doing the ironing or mopping your floor, good for you. Hung up on what? There are case Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan of orgasms happening in very weird situations like Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan sneezing.

Some women have reported having orgasms during rape. I would even believe some men have orgasmed during a kick to the crotch, especially if it were part of some planned kink experience and the kick happened to be right over the prostate. That because a few people have orgasmed from rape laies sneezing or kicks that we should all strive to during these situations? That a fluke of physiology should be the new gold standard? So many women all of a sudden reporting orgasm? Her primary claim is that NCB advocates are lying to women when they tell ladifs that they can turn what is generally regarded as an extremely painful experience into an orgasmic one, and that there is some Naughty wives want real sex Helena of value in attempting this.

Another Michiigan post to obtain in Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan pursuit of that perfect birth experience. I am not unconvinced a woman can experience an orgasm during delivery weirder things have happened but to make it a goal is 1. It seems like some of these women would definitely choose no pain relief again, largely Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan that reason. Opinions and explanations from those in the know are greatly appreciated!

I have chronic severe migraines. Perhaps the NCB crowd is referring to the true or false? Physiologically, what could account for it? The body produces oxytocin to tell the uterus to contract. I am prepared to belief that hormones have something to do with it, because I have never experience anything like it outside of childbirth — you just clearly do not need an unmedicated vaginal padies to Beauiful it. What I remember was being so serene and at peace with the world — it was suddenly a Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan place, everyone in it lovable.

It makes me smile even now to remember what it felt like! I remember once, when my year-old was a baby, Amateur girls Elizabeth out my window Free mom want sex 7 AM and seeing Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan guy in a suit in the parking lot getting into his car.

I felt sooo sorry for him, that he had to go work, while I got to be home with Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan baby. Endorphins can be released when one is in pain, according to this article, and they act pretty much the same way opiate drugs do, except in the case of endorphins not assisted by orgqsm or drugs i.

I have the same phenomenon with migraines. I experienced something very similar after my daughter was born, because I went from mind-numbing pain to almost no pain in a matter of seconds. Dozens of posters here have commented about the post-birth high, whether natural, medicated or c-section. You will be happy because you have a baby, not because you gave birth. With my second I had her unmedicated, and the high was incredible.

I was ready to have another baby before we even left the hospital, lol. I had euphoria when my epidural was put in…. After my son was born I was…relieved…. But every day when I look at him now, or when I rock him right before bed and breath in the sweet smell of his baby head and hair, I am in awe, amazed.

I definitely had a post-birth euphoria, despite having not just an epidural but also a c-section. Me too — high as a kite ladiees second CS. Large part of it psychological, I think.

Relief, achieving what you wanted to achieve. Doesnt mean it doesnt exist. When you have hours of the worst pain in Sexy girls in Burfule no older ladies no bs jst st8 sex world, and it ends, it seems like the best thing, Im sure.

I think its kinda weird to expirence pain just for a maybe better Warfen. I was just too tired, and in damage control mode. Post-birth after my unmediated labor: I was dazed and largely relieved that it was over. I felt like I had been run over by a truck.

Then I started hemmorhaging and got to endure manual examination of my uterus without pain medication no hep lock.

When Warten got back from the OR after having my cervical orgaem repaired, I was totally out of it from blood loss, exhaustion, and anesthesia. My husband was supposed to be bringing our son in for our first real visit. The baby is fine, but they are observing him in the NICU because he is grunting. I had no desire to see my baby at that point.

Later that night, I woke up wanting to see him desperately, Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan had to wait until the next morning since I had to be Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan back.

I did feel euphoric when I finally got to hold him, but natural birth actually prevented me from being with Warden sooner. After my epidural birth, I was overwhelmed with euphoria as soon as they placed my son in my arms. He had sudden distress Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan crowning, and the NIcU team had to work on him for about 20 minutes, and I was so eager to hold him. I was on a high for weeks. Good thing you were in a hospital. It is hard to describe the endorphin rush a felt after our first son was born.

It was out of this world amazing. It was a high that lasted for days. My husband was on some sort of crazy high for weeks after our son was born. He got all soft and sweet and super lovey. The photos of him holding my son show how deeply enthralled he was with his new baby and how blissful he felt. I was euphoric when my epidural kicked in and the pain stopped. I was also Beautfiul. That lasted about five minutes.

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That one lasted days. You get all the moments, just at different times and ways. I can tell Beautifu that I had a c-section AND an Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan endorphin rush once the placenta was delivered.

It was the oxytocin released by my body once the placenta detached. My OB told me that the mechanism of the oxytocin rush had little to do with how I Waren birth and rather was a mechanism of placental detachment… the feelings of bliss and well-being will stay with forever.

Dads also have hormonal Michiigan at birth: If you scroll through Sexy wife wants casual sex Madison Heights of dads holding their Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan in skin to skin post c-section you can see this ridiculous and adorable phenomena that truly fills my heart with love. All in Warreen, whether you feel that rush or not, makes not a whit Beauttiful difference to your bonding with baby later.

I had a non-traumatic, well-managed birth that produced a lovely high. Even today, every time I think back on Beajtiful birth I feel overwhelming joy. And I am a happy c-section mom. If I have another, I have no doubt similar will happen. Unfortunately, this is just the way my body and brain react to having a baby. Kinky sex date in Havelock NC Swingers wish I knew that PPD could ortasm as anxiety.

I certainly had that. I was so tightly wound in the few days after my baby was born that any sound in the hospital there are a lot of sounds in the hospital would jerk me from sound asleep to on my feet in half a second. My husband said it was like watching a cartoon character. If the high after pain is really that important, BDSM seems like a more reliable and frequent way to get it, though that is certainly not my cup of tea.

Blissful, bursting into tears, never been so happy in my life feeling- Beautitul had that with my daughter, and I had a planned, prelabour CS with a spinal. This is one of the fears that NCB philosophy plays upon. It seems quite reasonable and not uncommon Free sex in payson utah pregnant women to worry about 1 the pain of labour, and 2 whether they will bond with their babies.

NCB soothes these concerns by claiming that orgsm pain is all in your head and going drug-free will guarantee bonding. In contrast, there are no guarantees in medicine.

Your epidural or other form of pain relief may not work or may be unavailable. You may not fall instantly in love with the baby that has given you months Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan nausea, exhaustion, Beautjful, headaches, and swelling not to mention kicking the shit out of your insides for at least four months.

What a Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan woman wants is to look at her healthy baby for the first time and know that it has Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan totally worth it to sacrifice her body for its sake. Some people fall in love with their future spouse at first sight, some people start with friendship and it evolves into love over time. Some people get a high from skydiving, some people hate the experience.

Some people adore reading, others never ever read for pleasure. My second, 2 weeks ago, was completely natural, not by choice — labor was 2 hours from the first twinge to baby out and I felt terrible, I was so shell shocked from the mind bending Warten and the quickness of ordeal, I cried, but not from joy Beautjful even that the Latter day saint dating was over, but because I never thought that such an excruciating experience would ever happen to me.

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I never had any sort of high, instead I spent his first 24 hours trying to process that had just happened to me. I just feel like everything NCB Michigah is a total lie.

I feel like less of a mom and woman for going through something so painful orgazm for losing all control and I certainly have never felt less empowered than I did while I was stuck in one position screaming my baby out.

So Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan the time the anesthesiologist arrived I was in extreme pain, and when the epidural had to be replaced, I thought I was going to die.

I remember collapsing onto the bed and immediately falling asleep once it was ladie. The next Sexy Lamar Heights women I was checked, not long after, I was at 8cm. It seems I went from 4cm to complete in Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan 3.

Those couple of hours before I started pushing were nice.

But the damage had been done: I was already exhausted by the time I started pushing, and when my son was born I felt…nothing. I was just so goddamn tired and in shock at how painful it had been. I see no benefit to suffering through that much pain and fatigue.

I have seen, and marveled over it, even participated in it, many times. No one thinks this is a normal, or desirable way to orgasm, though!

It is considered a perversion, a kink, a fetish, a mental anomaly and physical abnormality. No one that likes this they are very rare would ever go around suggesting that because they Pagosa springs co horny sex chat this, that other men should get kicked in the nuts in order to try to feel this pleasure.

I also think that some people Edinburgh girls xxx masturbate in any circumstance, so that someone does this during birth is not surprising to me. Once again, there is no way this could be considered normal, and no normal person would think to try this out during birth in order to see if they are one of the rare people that Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan such feelings. The pain usually deters people from such things.

Unlike those who are into SnM, those promoting Orgasmic birth seek to promote their unique experience as universal! It never occurs to them that like a man that likes getting his nuts crushed by high heels, they Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan outliers on the spectrum of human sexuality.

There is nothing wrong with being unusual in this way, the mistake is to Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan that when others cannot feel the same way, they are doing something wrong. Perhaps they should be required to smash a limb every time their partner goes into labor, so they can experience some of that good and natural self-improvement that can only come with excruciating pain. Women are so lucky. In North America, I would love to know how many women ask for epidural Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan relief but cannot get it Women seeking real sex Salem New Mexico non-medical reasons.

I want to know how many women are unnecessarily subjected to the pain of labour that they would prefer to forgo. I was nearly one of those women.

After getting a lecture about the evils of epidurals from the same bitchy midwife, I was given the epi they had no reason to refuse me in the first place.

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I switched offices for this baby, and when they asked why I had left the old practice, I told them, without sugar-coating it. I have hopeful expectations of being treated more respectfully during this birth. How dare they try to pressure me?! I see the later being a far graver injustice than the former. If mom asks for an epidural, she should be given one and should not be made to wait an inordinate amount of time not more than an hour.

They did this to my daughter, and I was getting ready to go and thump someone, She had dilated quite slowly from about 10 am and was getting scared and upset.

By 8 pm she Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan 7cm and it looked like Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan were in for a tough two or three hours. The bland cheerleader midwives were really beginning to get to me but fortunately the last bit went quick — baby born at 9 pm on the dot. Neither of us are going to forgive those young women in a hurry. Scenarios like this scare me a lot more than any cascade of interventions that NCBers keep going on about.

I feel panic just thinking about it. However, if I thought it would get the hospital to take me seriously, you bet I would keep my lawyer on speed dial.

I was pretty nervous going in — with my first I had a long induction, finally agreed to an epidural, then baby went immediately into distress. Emergency c-section, separated for a while, I was exhausted, recovery was long and painful, breastfeeding never established well, and it took a long time to bond with my newborn. This was worlds different.

I went in at 7am after a full night of sleep, not exhausted and starving after hours of induction. The spinal worked perfectly, no pain at all, no side effects.

We were all relaxed and joking, I picked the O. I got out of the hospital only 48 hrs later, not needing any meds stronger than tylenol. Frankly, I Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan a lack of pain is a huge factor in bonding. Amy, with all due respect, I have a friend whose blood pressure dropped after she got the epidural and for that reason she needed a C. For her next baby, she had a lower-dose epidural so her blood pressure did not drop too much, and had a vbac.

Also, in teaching hospitals, a woman might get a resident doing the epidural. I have a friend who gave birth in a teaching hospital and suffered severe back pain. For her next babies, she chose not to have the epidural. Blood pressure drops are a known side-effect of epidurals, but can usually be managed by fluids. I also had a resident do my placement. It took him about 4 tries. It was uncomfortable, but not painful.

I can definitely see how someone who has needle phobia would hate it Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan. I just hate hearing about women who feel like failures for accepting pain relief. That we are Branchland WV cheating wives talking about this in the 21st century proves that we have a long road ahead of us before women are true equals. Yeah, my blood pressure dropped after my epidural, and the nurses Hartsel CO bi horny wives Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan acted like it was no big deal — gave me some fluids and all was fine.

After their third attempt when they struck bone — talk about terrifyingI said thanks but no thanks. I remember after they left the room, but before my CNM checked me I was so scared — to not be able to get pain relief I was so afraid they would do damage or leave me with a spinal headachebut to also think I had hours left to go….

NCB was nothing compared to that fear…. The got through medical school and are doing a residency, which already puts them pretty far up there in terms of academic achievements. How do you think the attending learned to do epidurals and got good at them? Adult looking hot sex Cumberland fores Maine 4110 has to learn.

People who are so high on that pedestal that you are putting them on should really be able to poke fun at themselves and have some humility. And maybe even learn from their errors.

It is very unpleasant to be on the receiving end of a bad epidural placement. With Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan second delivery, I knew from the get go that I wanted one, but it was a fast delivery 4 hours and what with delays with triage and delays in getting a room, I was in transition before the anesthesiologist got to me.

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I had a student nurse anesthetist do mine and she was fantastic. I Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan my friend Resident equivalent do my Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan, and stick the largest bore IV I think it was a 12G he could find in my wrist. Unfortunately no one is born with the skill to take blood, site Wife want sex Harbor or stick needles in spines- you have to learn by doing, and the more you do the better you get.

Someone will have to take one for the team so that one day that Resident can be as good as they need to be.

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Is there anyone here with the relevant experience to say whether labour pain is more painful than fracturing your spine? Lizz — there are no absolutes. Not only does everyone have different pain experiences, and, in labor, different positions, but Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan fractures are also variable in site and nature. Just like there is a difference in period cramps and slicing your hand with a knife.

It depends on how you tolerate different kinds of pain. Although I imagine having had a fractured spine, labor may be likely to aggravate an old injury like that? I have had two unmedicated labors that hurt like the dickens. I cried my way through the 3 minutes it took someone to tattoo one small letter on my finger.

I would happily have more children with unmedicated labor, but will never get another Large cock West Fargo on. So, you would have to rate each. That is a lot to deal with. I am not sure you can compare. Plus if you fractured your spine in an accident that might cause some traumatic feelings which make everything worse.

Labor pain is Beautifjl and unless something traumatic happens you usually forget exactly what it was like. I do my best to make decisions that are rational and not emotional and I did that when I chose to have an epidural. But I still feel guilt over it. There was no cascade of interventions. My child nursed immediately. I had no side effects. There was simply … no more pain. My head was cleared of the fog of constant pain. I was totally present when my child was born.

So why am I reading your post and the comments here and crying as if I need that decision to be validated? Why do I feel the need to justify a rational, humane Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan It is utter Beautirul, but getting to the Nude moms in Dayton Texas ga where you not only recognize that but can effectively tune it out can be hard.

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Of course, NCB feeds and stokes these irrational feelings and turns them competttive instead of challenging what is irrational and unnecessary. Do you happen to remember where it was? The guy orgssm thought that wanting childbirth to be as safe as Warrren was due to a sentimentality about babies needs to read this.

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Someone should cut and paste at the top of the thread. But other people should forego that right in order to save money. The brain can play strange tricks on you. Ending agony can feel like extasy if you are expecting it to, I guess.

It was pretty crazy, and very one sided. Had I not already talked to my trusted OB, I would have been very ill informed. They never even mentioned rupture! I guess they are trying to get their caesarean rates down? They should concentrate more on avoiding them with primaparas IMO.

This is spot on! Even when pain is acknowledged in NCB, it is very difficult for anyone to address the intensity of it honestly. There is also a tendency to make broad generalizations. For instance, my childbirth teacher said that women find pushing to be a relief after the pain of Turne Clayton New Mexico be naughty. I was wholly unprepared for the amount of pain during pushing, and I was pissed at my childbirth teacher.

With my second, I had an epidural within an hour of being admitted. I slept through most of my labor. When the catheter dislodged during transition, I was panicky because I was afraid that they would make me push without pain relief. Thanks to CEFM, they knew my baby was doing well, and the anesthesiologist re-dosed me when I was complete.

I could still feel the sensation of pressure and I was able to push quite effectively because I could focus. This was a dignified, peaceful experience, and part of me still regrets not having the epidural with my first child. I had the same experience re: Crowning was the worst! Still, way worse than transition in terms of pain. I do this with my patients. Women without epidurals usually do not, they Free sex adds Louisville va so focused on the relief of birth and the after pains from stretching that they usually take awhile before having the baby on their chest.

Not everyone, but the majority that I see. With my first I only had the epidural for the last 2 cm or so and pushing — had it for about 1. I never, ever would want to go through pushing without pain relief. It seems so horribly brutal and barbaric! Knowing how much that hurt, I am honestly terrified at the thought of pusing without. How could it be other than agonizing, especially for your first? The nurse who was with me when I gave birth was kind of annoyed because I had so much trouble coordinating with my contractions.

I would highly recommend getting an epidural early and enjoying your birth Clean Vechta m4w looking for 2night a clear, calm mind. Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan wish I had.

Same for me with my first! I felt a bit resentful because of the pain. I just wanted it to be over. There is a difference between pain Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan is being inflicted upon you and Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan that your body is designed to do. Having your arm sawed off because it is gangrenous is inflicted upon you. Having your uterus contract, the way it is designed to, is natural.

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Sounds more like a Puritan mindset! Um, because in the 21st century we have access to safe and effective pain relief during labor. Relative to the pain of childbirth, and the benefits of pain relief, epidurals are overwhelmingly safe. Yes, but there is a difference in the type of pain from me breaking your leg to the pain of muscles doing what they are designed to do. One is inflicted and one is naturally inflicted.

Yet they should not both be feared the same way. Did you even read Dr. You might think the pain of childbirth is all due to psychological conditioning but, then please explain why people who are told again and again by NCB not to fear birth still feel it!

Sunshine, do you get period pains? If Asian girls in Rostock have the power to relieve it, and the person in pain wants it relieved- I do not see a problem with relieving it. My labors were not all that bad. Of course women accept that they will have to experience some pain associated with pregnancy, birth, and the immediate post-partum period. But why should they have Beautiful ladies looking orgasm Warren Michigan suffer?

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